According to Mark Miller AKA 'A Human Weapon' they are,and further more we will be prosecuted!!,

http://WWW.youtube.com/watch?v=7omQtLPCGcE&feature=playlist&p=03B7B87861D94E96&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=46

Marc

if i think that it will take a pre-emptive strike to stop an oncoming attack i will do it, dont really care about being prosecuted. better to be judged by 12 then carried by 6. extreme maybe but....sorry



looked at his other vids and he's NOT my type of guy but hey, each to there own.

Its my understanding if you percieve a threat you can use reasonable force
Which includes a pre-emptive strike,but when you become the agressor then its a very grey area imho......avoidance is what I would advise wherever possible....I know to some that's a bit touchy feely......but I've found that when you TRULY know you can handle most situations when it turns physical.....it affords you this option.....it makes me smile when this attitude causes so much consternation in some circles........then again.....I've seen what constitutes training/conflict strategy or whatever.......be switched on and you will avoid 90% .......the other portion can also be avoided with a still tongue......but then again as les said........the better to be judged line is how I live my life.......rather not see the courtroom though...hahha......keep on training guys!
Mick x

If somebody is being verbally abusive, trying to get in your face and making threats on your life and there clearly showing signs of aggression and they keep trying to move into your personnel space, then I'm pretty dam shore your well with in your rights to knock there head off there shoulders. as long your only do what is necessary to get out of danger. what is this bloke on??

Have watched a few of Mark Miller youtube clips

This one I simply don't agree with - although the clip is very short so doesn't give him chance to explain his rationale or justification behind his statement.

As far as I'm concerned though, I think he has this wrong

A pre-emptive strike IS legal providing you fet at the time that you were under threat and without taking this action you genuinely believe you would have been attacked yourself.

I'm no legal expert - as you can probably tell but I believe it's even legal if you feel a pre-emptive strike it the only way to prevent someone else from being attacked.

The difficulty is being able to justify your actions to the Police and possibly the courts afterwards!

Avoidance is always a better option

I think we have all got a much better chance of being prosecuted just by living our daily lives,
http://WWW.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-455443/toddler-fined-89-dropping-crisps.html ,
http://WWW.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/2475581/man-is-fined-50-by-police-in-Ayr-for-dropping-a-10-note.html and finally
http://WWW.taxiblog.co.uk/1721/married-couple-fined-for-forest-car-sex/
than we ever would have if we had to launch a pre-emptive strike in a self-defence situation.

Marc

of course pre-emtive strikes are legal , what piece of law do you think The coalition of the willing used to invade Iraq.

it may vary across nations and even county's/shires etc. in general I believe they are all similar in the western world

In Australia you are legally allowed to preemptively strike a person if you have an HONEST believe that you, or another, is in IMMEDIATE and REAL or ACTUAL danger. The force applied must be what a normal member of the society, of sound mind, would consider REASONABLE given the situation.

drgndrew wrote:of course pre-emtive strikes are legal , what piece of law do you think The coalition of the willing used to invade Iraq.

I'm not sure thats a particually good example... I don't think Bush and co were to bothered with legal niceities.....

However I have to agree i to believe pre-emptive strikes to be legal...

An example....

Some weeks ago I was working on a particulary rough estate and a local low life got right in my face... Swearing threats etc... Whilst telling me how he was going to 'shank me' he put his right hand in his pocket... I immediatly struck his chest with a half spear, while grapping his wrist with my other hand... A completly pre emptive strike, which the police made no comment on ( other than "Nice one mate") when they attended...