Hi guys,
check out the following youtube link; it depicts one of my UC Instructors Jon Mackey who is a full time taekwondo instructor and International competitor as well as a full UC instructor in Ireland under me. Now Jon well knows the difference between art for art sake, combat sport and anything considered Combative and functional for the street.

Jon has plenty of experience from the doors and the street and knows full well about keeping things simple and savage. The problem of conflicting ideas starts to appear in this example of Jon's most recent International event in Sardinia, where it seems that Jon starts in sporting taekwondo mode but slips into maximum impact, continous gross motor attack with forward pressure and aggression....result?

K.O and disqualification; a clear understanding that muscle memory will always go with the majority, what you put on the disc is what comes off. Conclusion? semi-contact trained in the majority will result in pulled ineffectual shots on the street; conversely to that training for impact-aggression with forward pressure from the perspective of non-reciprecal exchange-will result in knocking people the fuck out in semi-contact contests time to prioritise me thinks Jonny boy



http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0GoUwMwvpg

Hi Lee,

Thanks for sharing that clip mate.

Just goes to show what can and does happen when techniques and mindset are drilled over and over, eventually it all becomes instinctive.
or at least thats what we all aim for at least.

Craig

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and its gonna be fantastic training under Lee in our seminar, which coincidently is coming up at the end of this month.

all are welcome, so feel free to book your place now. even if you arent a member here. just follow this link

http://selfdefence.darkbb.com/announcements-f2/sd-forum-ultimate-protection-seminar-t516.htm

Hi all,

just a line or two about the clip of Jon Mackey I posted here and the controversial debate it has unintentionally sparked. First off out of respect for Alan and Craig I do not intend to RESPOND to comments said about me or my motivations for posting the clip, on here in my usual diplomatic style

Any comments, debate or opinion from anyone, anywhere can be taken up with me personally; my phone number and e-mail is on my website and my training times are every Wed evening at St.Mary's leisure centre in Southampton from 19.00 til 20.30 please feel free to come and see me personally and I am happy to talk your feelings over in person, happy, unhappy or otherwise.

I'd just like to point out for the benefit of our people on here that I am not and was not glorifying thuggish behaviour on the mat of a sporting event, people will make their own opinion regardless of what I say now, but those who know me will know that I am NOT a thug and really did not intend to tout my method of training as thuggish or loutish behaviour that we can be proud of.

My point was that muscle memory can and will take over during certain circumstances, I did not necessarily mean stress as being one of them, more that habitual practice of anything will produce a majority result that's all.

My overall point about my UC Irish instructor Jon Mackey, was that it is probably time for him to prioritise his training so as NOT to find himself in a situation, where he is robbed of a medal that the other guy clearly did not win.

Jon Mackey is both a competent instructor and competitor within Taekwondo as his history will show, he is also a great guy and a very gentle person as watching him teach and working will people will show. This is so also, as a UC instructor. So let's just clarify the points that neather Jon or myself are anything but, out for all the good that a Self-Protection lifestyle can create.

I do not glorify violence in anyway, shape or form I just happen to be good at it. The angle we preach is always about avoidence and escape, such things as ego were transcended a long, long time ago.

Like I said I posted my opion regarding the clip from an observation point of view, the fact that some experienced individuals within the martial arts can consciously control their ability to go from semi-contact to harder impact and back again, or not to make that error during a sporting event such as this, is admirable for them but it doesn't make it so for the majority of people, who are afterall human and make mistakes.

Once again I am sorry for any inconvieniance this may have caused, it was not my intention to throw anyone a bone of contention, it was just an observation and opinion. This is often the reason that you don't see me post on forums frequently as someone, somewhere always seems to see it as something personal to them. I am still happy to answer any questions from anyone on here though.

Finally to Jon, sorry if this has caused you any problem bro, was not my intention thanks again so much for your great hospitality to me and Dan over the last week in Dublin and thanks also to Rob P for the same the UC Ireland workshop was packed with great people and greatly succesfull as are all our Irish events.

Peace....

Hey Lee

Nice post mate,
and one in which I must admit when the clip was posted, took it as nothing more than an observation on what is capable due to correct training, in whatever circumstances you may find yourself in as you put it muscle memory. Nice post mate.

Thanks again.
Craig

Hi Lee,
No problems here mate. I've had some nice private messages from some other guys who have been light contact competitors in the past who went the RBSD/Combative path and they agreed whole heartedly with the analysis. They understand the sport and what it takes to get on the mat at international level and compete.
If people have nothing else to talk about I don't mind being analysed at all, whether it be good are bad. I'm 100% confident in my ability as a competitor and everything else, nothing will change that.

On another note, cheers for the great workshop on Friday last, as ever the feed back was tremendous and everyone was left with more than enough to take away from your class. It was also great to spend the time together, yourself, Dan and Rob. As always the crack is mighty and the bond is deep

See you soon mate
Jon

hi lee,

i think anyone who's trained with you or watched your DVDs knows exactly were your coming from and as you say somebody's always got something bad to say or tries to put others down, it's very easy when your sat behind a computer,its great to see your clips on youtube keep up the good work

cheers
karl

...and I for one think you're a lovely bloke! Although a litle smaller than I originally thought...

Best Wishes Mate

Bob

No probs here Lee.
i think it was very obvious what you were getting at from the start. Some people just like to be picky for the sake of finding argument.
As you, and everyone else knows, we do not tolerate that kind of behaviour on this forum, which is why your comments here, have been taken within the good context they were meant
our motto here is, if it can be taken 2 ways, consider it to be positive

Take care,

Rick.

LMAO at bobs comment.



Craig

Even for people that don't speak english as a main language, your point was perfectly understandable, Lee.

It was understandable for anyone, in fact.

So, nothing new under the sun here.
Don't bother ...

Cheers.

Both Lee and Jon are complete gents. I've been training under Lee for a few years now, and I couldn't ask for a more talented, or nicer guy to train with. He would do anything for anyone. Same goes for Jon...

Lee, and all the UC crew, are a great bunch of guys. Looking forward to the next trip over to Southampton.

Cheers,

Rob.

PS - Lee, many thanks for the recent Work Shop. You and Dan are always welcome down here to stay. As ever, the training was top notch, and the feed back has been awesome. And many "light bulb" moments were had by all.

Hey guys, thanks for all your feedback, what a positive bunch we all are. Bob loved the "thought you'd be bigger" comment class, hope your well bud, looking forward to getting together with you soon for that chat.

It seems that my simple observation and comment has turned into a personal analysis of me as an individual wow, how do these things happen?

this is a classic case of keyboard commandoes in action, at it's best I appreciate the enlightenment but need to straighten out a couple of funny points.

First when I talk about transcending my ego, I meant I am confident to walk away from any unnecessary scrap and feel no need to bang anyone unless given no choice, I didn't mean that I wasn't vain, fuck me have some people only just realised, pouting ha mate, I'm the King, have done it since teenage adolescence when I first realised what a fanny magnet I can be

Here's the points that need straightening out though, yes I do make full use of the free facilities at all the gyms I work at including the sunbed makes me feel good so what of it? Clothes too young for me? eh hello I live in primart, wearing mainly knee length comfort fit shorts, t-shirts and boots, silly me I thought they went by size not age, what a knob

Final point and this is the one I'm not having none of; I dye my hair Ha, I have been on the teaching circuit for approx 9 years if you check out any book/mag picture TV appearence or DVD you will clearly see I am as grey as a badger and have been since I was 20 years old, too much women stress over the years another side effect from the fanny magnet thing:D

So if I was ever to colour my hair, I think you'll all agree, the product aint making it lol. being vain is one part of my own multi facet persona, here's a couple more, I like to laugh, have been known to cry at sad films, help old ladies accross the road, whether or not they want to go I love kids and animals, can be stubborn when I percieve myself as being right, can be a bit of a big head, have zero tollerence for chav like anti-social behaviour, will walk away from trouble when I can, but you back me in a corner or fuck with my own and I will steal your face.

I can be vain, oh we've done that one....uh oh yeah am a loyal mate but a crap business man especially with mates blah blah blah....you get the picture, point is we are all different, what some might think of as flawed another will think of as fantastic. I've never made out I'm perfect unless I'm being super vain of course

One thing I am though is direct, sometimes too John "awsomely" Blunt in fact, and you can rest assured if I want to cut you with words I'll look you in the eye when I do it. I won't hide behind a smoke screen of too immature to see you in person, but then choose to character assinate on an unaccessable forum, the term slippery palmed milkman comes too mind.

I expect this silliness will continue in the same way, though you'll hear no more from me on the subject, not on any forum atleast, not my style, I like that word "style" that reminds me I must do my hair.

Peace, love, harmony and a shit load dose of positivity xxxxxxxxxxx
Be well people

Thread locked guys.
Defo not getting into this whole cross forum battle thing. lets keep things on track.
we have a great thing going here, so lets keep it that way

The Admin Team.