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    drgndrew

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    Escape from Mount with arms pinned

    Post by drgndrew on Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:24 am

    G'day all,

    Heres a question for the grapplers but please if you have a solution jump in.

    I'm looking for some suggestions for escaping the mount when they have your arms pinned to the ground.

    basically the position is a standard mount with his legs hooked in under mine, he has hold of your arms one the forearms near to the elbow pinning them to the floor with his weight.

    now from this position the only harm he can do is to head butt, which you can counter to a degree bu tucking the chin and receiving i on the think part of your forehead and you can buck to help him miss. Other then that he pretty well has to disengage to punch or apply another tactic which will allow you a free arm to defend/attack with. As far as being in a dangerous position it isn't "too" bad, obviously being mounted is not a good position in general. this kind of restraint doesn't pose too much danger to the guy underneath as the offence is limited or engaged in pinning you done.

    this is fine in the ring, but in a self defence situation if someone has you in this position they are doing it for a reason, they are either holding you down until their mates arrive to kick field goals or worst they are holding you down so their mate/s can perform some other criminal act, possibly against a weaker person. (eg preventing you from stopping a r***).

    so what can the person do.

    P.S. Buck and role did not work in this case, no matter how high I through my hips, the hooks he had in enabled him to simply ride the buck and his hands on the forarms provide surprisingly stable posts. I was able to eventually escape by somehow releasing one of my arms, I don't know exactly what I did, but I used a lot of my strength to do it, strength which most of my students wouldn't have.

    Lateral movement of my arms didn't help much either as the range of motion of my arms didn't translate to a large change in the positioning of his arms, it took a lot of strength to get his posts into any position that was even vaguely unstable. I found I had to try to try to get my arms above my head with my elbows close together to narrow his posts and reduce their base, but this took a lot of effort and even when I did this he seemed to be quite stable, from here I was able to grap one of his wrist with my other hand which gave me some control but still could get the buck and roll to take effect .
    I've been able to use explosive lateral movement quite effectively when the mounted guy pinned the wrist, but it all seemed to change when the pin was applied to the forearms/elbow area, the lateral movement just didn't seem to produce enough change in base to to effect his stability as it would with the wrist. ( which makes sense seeing as you can move you wrist further and thus disrupt his posts to a greater degree.

    anyway I think that pretty well covers my initial thoughts. I'm pretty confident with my ground work but it is one of my weaker areas, a trained grappler should be able to own me relatively easily.( if we stick to grappling rules Razz )

    any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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    Re: Escape from Mount with arms pinned

    Post by Al Peasland on Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:56 am

    Hi Drew

    Difficult to give a clinical answer to this one - but have a pretty good idea of where you were positioned from your detailed post - so thanks for that.

    A couple of suggestions that spring to mind immediately would be....

    1. Your arms are pinned, which means so are his, in effect, until he releases to start striking - as you have already said.
    Not sure how far up your arms his hands were but it may be possible to rotate your hips and move your head down to start biting his forearm or wrist on one side.
    Not going to finish the fight but might be enough to attract his attention to this bite in order to free your other arm - or better still, he may react by pulling away the bitten arm momentarily.

    Not sure if you could reach but worth a shot if possible.

    2. I was going to suggest bucking and exploding with your hips up and forewards (towards your own head) to throw him up as well as forwards - if that makes sense, but as you have already said, you'd tried this and it didn't work.

    3. So, my alternative to that would be to flatten him by straightening out your own legs - once you've hooked them around his.
    If he's sat up really high - knees under your armpits, this is obviously not an option, but if he's further down your body with his legs hooked under yours - then you can flatten him out.
    Again, this won't get a release but will move his attention to this new position - it can be quite uncomfortable and does help you to sweep him off then as he has less of a base.

    Again, this may not have been an option depending on his position

    4. You ultimately did get out of this position - I would suggest one further option is simply to explode and go crazy. Sounds pretty crude but if he's not an experienced player then you may just catch him by surprise and knock him off balance.

    Ultimately - the best escape from this is to not be there and if he is an experienced player - you are definitely in a bad position.

    It's like being asked how to escape a rear naked choke. Well, if he's good - the only escape is probably going to be to tap Laughing

    Escape before you get there is always number one rule - but in answer to your question.

    Those would be my first options

    I'll give one or two guys on here a nudge to get their comments - some far better grapplers than myself.

    Nice post mate - thank you
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    Re: Escape from Mount with arms pinned

    Post by drgndrew on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:37 pm

    Al Peasland wrote:
    1. Your arms are pinned, which means so are his, in effect, until he releases to start striking - as you have already said.
    Not sure how far up your arms his hands were but it may be possible to rotate your hips and move your head down to start biting his forearm or wrist on one side.
    Not going to finish the fight but might be enough to attract his attention to this bite in order to free your other arm - or better still, he may react by pulling away the bitten arm momentarily.

    Not sure if you could reach but worth a shot if possible.

    no he had my arms near the elbow, biting was one of the things I thought about but simply could reach. mind you it's giving me some other ideas to try out I may have been able to pinch scratch etc will have a play.

    2. I was going to suggest bucking and exploding with your hips up and forewards (towards your own head) to throw him up as well as forwards - if that makes sense, but as you have already said, you'd tried this and it didn't work.

    Yeah this was one of my go to tactics, I first of all tried to buck over my shoulder to the side, but somehow by pinning my forearms near the elbow instead of the wrist seemed to give him a lot more base, especially when combined with his hooks behind my thighs. I was actually quite surprised how stable he was, bucking straight and to the side didn't seem to do anything except give him a bull ride.


    3. So, my alternative to that would be to flatten him by straightening out your own legs - once you've hooked them around his.
    If he's sat up really high - knees under your armpits, this is obviously not an option, but if he's further down your body with his legs hooked under yours - then you can flatten him out.
    Again, this won't get a release but will move his attention to this new position - it can be quite uncomfortable and does help you to sweep him off then as he has less of a base.

    Again, this may not have been an option depending on his position

    I hadn't tried this might be worth a try.


    4. You ultimately did get out of this position - I would suggest one further option is simply to explode and go crazy. Sounds pretty crude but if he's not an experienced player then you may just catch him by surprise and knock him off balance.

    I'll admit I didn't "go off", I was looking for a more technical escape, I don't know what I did to escape but once he had to free a hand I had him. it was primarily the effectiveness of the pin location that really surprised me.


    Ultimately - the best escape from this is to not be there and if he is an experienced player - you are definitely in a bad position.

    Agreed 100% and then some

    It's like being asked how to escape a rear naked choke. Well, if he's good - the only escape is probably going to be to tap Laughing

    yep i have a similar response when someone askes me how would I defend against someone who snuck up behind you and hit you in the head with a baseball bat before you knew it.


    Escape before you get there is always number one rule - but in answer to your question.

    Those would be my first options

    I'll give one or two guys on here a nudge to get their comments - some far better grapplers than myself.

    Nice post mate - thank you

    Thanks Al You've given me som great ideas to try out and expand on.

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