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    dennis_thompson

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    Post by dennis_thompson on Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:34 pm

    Hi all,

    opinions please Smile

    I am strictly interested in self protection, something I can learn and drill quickly and effectively so that when I leave the house with the kids I can protect them against the minority of pond life out there!

    The quandary I have is im really pushed for time at the moment, infact the next 4 years at least are pretty much tied up.

    So should I go to one of a few traditional martial arts in the area within walking distance, im sure I could spare that much time even just once per week, or should I concentrate purely on hitting the bag in the garden as and when and focus more on the fence work, hitting hard etc as well as awareness which I do anyway.

    What im getting at is will going to the local aikido/karate/taekwondo/etc club hinder me in reality terms or is it worth me getting along to any club just so I can train with others.

    I have pre conceived ideas but would prefer the input of people that have been there done it and maybe learned the hard way.

    To reiterate, im not interested in sport/belts or 'being hard'!

    I want something effective on the streets but have nothing in my town that touches that (That I ama aware of and I have looked).

    Many thanks in advance for your time,

    regards,

    Den

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    Post by R. Pepper on Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:46 pm

    Hi Den,

    If there is no "self-protection classes" near you then I'd go for some private instruction off someone who specializes in that area. Get them to sort you out with a few drills that you can practice at home. Then go back as often as your time permits.

    No doubt hitting the H. bag is great, but extra instruction is always worth it imo. I've been training with Lee Morrison for quite a while now (as I'm sure you know Smile) and it has really payed off big time - in terms of my skills, self-protection, and knowledge base.

    You can always go to local traditional classes, but they tend, well a lot of them, not to pay that much attention to the street. Or would take a more elongated process to get you there.

    Just my 2 cents...

    R.

    PS - I've got some stuff coming for the other forum. cheers
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    Post by dennis_thompson on Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:15 pm

    Thanks Rob,

    stupid question,

    how do I find someone legit in my area that does private classes in self protection?

    Anyway at a push I might be able to get back to Sunderland in September to train with the SDF, Martin Dougherty and Co.

    Just need to get some massive monkeys off my back 1st.

    cheers,

    Den.

    PS Look forward to your posts on the other forum mate.

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    Post by Guest on Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:00 am

    Hey Den

    Well I think you know where I stand on this Issue,
    Having done a few of the traditional arts I found out the hard way that what I had been taught, or maybe the way it was taught was not effective on the street. Of course you can take whatever technique you like from traditional MA. and analyse, pressure test etc. but why? when others have done it and made it their lifetime study to teach it.

    I agree with Rob on this one, anything which is traditional personally id go for boxing, or Judo if you must do an art. as it can be made to work on the street also. however seeking out someone in the self protection field would definately be the way to go on this. One hour from a top guy in the field is worth its weight in gold. id rather take a couple of quality hours with a guy with a proven track record than 6 months in a dojo.

    If you dont have an idea of the guys credentials mate, make enquiries, calls, e-mails. ask around. if needs be, ask on here and see if anyone has heard of them. if they are as good as they are purported to be then who knows. but its well worth asking the question. just dont throw yourself into anything without the proper research.

    Best of luck mate, and feel free to keep asking questions.

    Craig
    cheers

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    Post by R. Pepper on Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:25 am

    Craig's right - if I was going to go with a "local art", Boxing or Muai Thai would be great, assuming you couldn't find a decent SP class (or even beter do both! Smile).

    If you leave it with me I can email Lee, and see who's good up in your neck of the woods - where are you situated again?

    Cheers,

    R.
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    Post by dennis_thompson on Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:28 am

    Thanks craig Very Happy

    Rob im in Nort east england, South Tyneside, town called South Shields,

    if you can get a couple of names for me to get in touch with and work out something that fits both our schedules, great!

    Cheers,

    Den.
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    Post by kaarl on Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:23 pm

    Hi Dennis, if youre strictly about self protection then I would stay away from anything youre not going to need,

    For example with boxing or Thai its gives you some great benefits, but you will also be taught lots of stuff you don't need

    You can just "keep what you need and throw away what you don't"

    But if youre pretty sure youre not going to use it why learn it in the first place

    With say boxing its very complicated it takes a long time to learn, with rounds, sparing give and take, get broke up at close distance, gloves, and lots of habits you not going to need

    Its the same with lots of other martial arts were they are far too over complicated so you learn lots of things youre never going to need
    Im not having a go at any art of sport but its just the way I see it

    I love the arts as well but you should have a clear line between,
    Reality and martial arts/sport

    If youre a puncher, train with a street puncher
    Same with the open hand

    train at home as much as you can, you are the only person who can get you to the point you want to be at, its all about practice, practice, practice you get out of it what you put in, visualise every technique

    Do seminars when you can, by some DVDs
    try to learn all the basic keys staying aware of your surrounding and switched on if any trouble is brewing if you can see it coming you can avoid it, this can be learned, whenever youre out and about, you dont need classes for this one

    for the physical side concentrate on learning to hit the head as hard as you can from lots of angles on the move, with a healthy dose of violence and aggression and you wont go far wrong

    Privates lesson are a great thing theres nothing like one on one
    And dont hesitate to question everything and never blindly follow
    Self protection is a very personal thing everybodys different you need to find what works for yourself and not what other people prefer


    Hope this helps Very Happy

    Karl

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    Post by AFinlayson on Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:57 am

    Hi Dennis,

    just to throw my thoughts in the mix.

    I echo a lot of what has just been said by the guys above. If there isn't a high quality instructor in your area, i'd keep it really simple.

    1. buy some decent dvd's. there's a lot of rubbish out there however based on my own preference i'd go for. Bob Spour's SAS fight secrets, Any Senshido DVD and i'd also buy geoff thompson's book 'dead or alive'.
    2. if you don't have access to a gym buy a heavy punch bag and practice open palm strikes and elbow, keep it really simple and practice over and over.
    3. work out. be that bench press, squats, military presses. i find getting phyiscally stronger helps with confidence should the sh*t hit the fan. although psychology plays a fundamental part too. For me at least, i find the two are directly linked.

    hope this helps and good luck.

    Andy
    p.s. if you really want to attend a class pick something that is 'live' with direct contact and continuous movement such as boxing/wrestling/ judo. just make sure you're aware of it's limitations.
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    Post by dennis_thompson on Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:16 pm

    thanks Kaarl/Andy,

    some really good feed back, again what I expected.

    I have dead or alive and tons of dvds but theyre all different and figuring what works best for me is the key.

    I find open palm strikes are good for me and throwing lots of them a the bag head height is probably my best start.

    as to private instruction i have been stung by cowboys in the past so i will be wary and if it doesnt fit me, move on.

    I will have a look for those dvd recommends cheers.

    I feel the main reason i want to train with a person is:

    1. to help overcome that initial adrenal rush which causes panic/freeze.
    2. Grappling. a klot has been said to me i must be able to wrestle on the deck or standing, hard to learn without partner I feel.

    Thanks again guys,

    regards,

    Den.

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    Post by R. Pepper on Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:06 pm

    Hey Den,

    How's things? I've asked Lee if he knows anyone up in your direction. I'll let you know when I hear back.

    One thing I would say, and this is my personal opinion. If you want to be able to get over the whole "freeze thing", which is vitally important. I'd definitely go down the modern Combatives route. Those guys all spend a great deal of time covering fear and adrenaline with their students (or should anyway). Lee went through lots of material like that, and it really helped me out.

    Just on grappling, it's a great tool to have, or as Geoff Thompson would say "support system". However, I never really spent much time on grappling with people. I prefer the term "anti-grappling". Using the concept to hurt the opponent if he tries, or even succeeded in grapple you. Thus avoiding a protracted fight, or contest of strength on the ground.

    With the right kit, and a little bit of ingenuity you can give yourself a decent practice session even without a partner.

    I know Lee is a fair distance form you, but if you went down once or twice and practiced what he gave you, you'd have something of real value. That's why I travel over to see him once a month form Dublin. I'd go more if I had the money. Smile

    Cheers,

    R.

    PS - the Senshido vids are class if you get a chance to check them out.
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    Post by dennis_thompson on Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:02 pm

    Cheers Rob,

    regards,

    Den.

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