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    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:28 pm

    Hi Tony.

    I have been doing some training this morning just drilling with focus mitts and striking shields, and I noticed that when using an elbow strike for example the strike shield was not sturdy enough to absorb the impact, and at about 10 to 15 % power my strikes were penetrating all the way through the pad.

    I notice Peter Consterdine and a few other instructors using what peter calls an etha-foam pad which is made up for his striking and absorbs a lot more impact than a regular shield and is more heavy duty.

    Finding places that sell these are hard at best, and very expensive for the only supplier I found. being told that it is used to pack engineering parts, I thought you would be the ideal person to ask.

    So...

    Have you any ideas where I can obtain some of these for my own training.
    any help on this matter mate would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks mate
    Craig
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    Post by Tony Terranova on Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:51 pm

    Hi Craig,

    Creating new striking pads is a personal interest of mine.

    Here are some ideas for you:

    I replace all the filler in all my pads (focus, kick shield, Thai Pads,) etc by buying the foam filler from the Cotswold foam products in Gloucester; tel: 01452521364. They offer various densities so that for the same pad design you can create your own range of density for impact development. For example the standard Blitz sport long focus pads that go just past your wrist, when the foam wears out the leather is still good and you can simply undo the lace on the side and slip a new foam pad in you can choose your own density and it is all cut to size for you the cost is between 4.50 and 5.50 a pad depending what density you have in fact I just put Peter Consterdine in touch with them and he is delighted with the choice and quality and the fact he can now have his own custom pad
    Staying with the Gloucester foam company you can order 12 x 12 (or bigger to suit you) foam high density to your own thickness and wrap it in polythene then cover it in duck tape and you have your own impact pad you can have 2 thick and then tape 2 of these together to give you 4 and so on I think Pete has the old ethafom pads as 12 x 12 and some at 2 and some at 3 thick
    You can use rice bags from Tescos or buy bulk rice in huge bags and make pads I use a minimum rice bag size of 10 x 10 and 2 thick all wrapped in duck tape and you simply hold it top and bottom in the palm of your hands you can have bigger rice bags if you want in fact we just bought wholesale 100kg of rice in 20kg bags so that we can make 40 impact rice bags for the seminar on the 21st -
    You can do something I have been thinking for a while but never got round to it and that is to get a collective order for ethfoam pads from say 10 cubs the same size Pete uses and go to http://www.polyformes.co.uk/ethafoam.html and get them to make bulk order. The one thing you need to do is get samples so that you get the density right. There are four densities and you need a sample of each, although my guess is you will end up with the 102 kg/m - they are a UK company so you can call them there is also the opportunity to start SDF forum based ethafoam pads and the profits could go to charity something like the NSPCC and on that basis you may find that Polyformes may do them cheaper as they are also contributing got a good cause. If you find them receptive then you should ask Peter if you can loan an ethafoam sample from him and send it to these guys to copy and quote you we will certainly buy some.

    Ethafoam 220-E / 35 kg/m / Packaging / Flotation
    Ethafoam 400-E / 64 kg/m / Packaging / Flotation
    Ethafoam 700-E / 102 kg/m / Highload Bearing
    Ethafoam 900-E / 145 kg/m / Highload Bearing

    Hope this helps

    Regards,
    Tony
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    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:56 pm

    Hi Tony

    A lot of good ideas there mate, So I will definately be looking into it. I had a feeling you would be the man to ask and as always mate, you did not disappoint.

    Cheers mate
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    Post by Tony Terranova on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:04 pm

    Craig,

    You are most welcome email/call me anytime - I am going to Egypt next week for one week but this time is actually a holiday with my good lady wife Jenny - but you can text or email me if you need anything as I have my blackberry with me - see you at the SDF semminar

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    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:36 pm

    Thanks mate

    Craig
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    Post by Peter Skillen on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:53 pm

    Tony i have many of these how mnay do you want?
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    Post by Peter Skillen on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:55 pm

    Hi mate i have loads of the foam to make the pad you want I can make you ten up if you like its high density impact foam i have twenty in my club and i can get unlimited amount..let me know
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    Post by kaarl on Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:56 pm

    hi Craig,

    most of the focus pads i have had the insides replaced i find then far to light to get any feed back and a little soft,i tend to use canvass or old jeans ripped up the gives them a nice feeling with a bit more weight,I've got sand in others just emptied the filling and doubled up some plastic bags and filled with sand they feel really nice for closed hand and elbows,I've used rice bags before they have a real good feel but i haven't tried it in a focus pad yet

    sometimes ill also put a layer of foam on the outside of the pad as well for a different feel,i try to give them a more convex shape more like a head/body

    i have tried water in some focus pads but haven't found anything that doesn't burst through a short time,the last one was a couple of 2 heavy duty balloons and a condom for security Suspect it worked for a short while and felt really good until it burst and gave mol a soaking,he wasn't that bothered until i told him it was a used condom affraid

    i have found that pads that suit punching/elbows don't necessarily work well for the open hand and vice versa i also have pad designed for certain strikes/angles

    i also find that the etha-foam pads a bit hard if your on the receiving end(but depends who's hitting them)



    Creating new striking pads is a personal interest of mine.

    hi tony,

    same here,
    im going to bring some various pads and a few different training aids to the seminar,with a few incarnations of the latex ball,do you use anything like this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEIWKSAK8J4&feature=channel_page

    i got the original idea from a rick fay DVD he was using knicker elastic and a tennis ball,i find them very good for targeting hand/elbow to eye and have shown great benefits with my students,and also solo training

    cheers karl
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    Post by Tony Terranova on Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:10 pm

    Hi Peter,

    Been meaning to tell you that my daughter emma often talks about (all nice things) as she enjoyed training with you when she did Geoff's master class - if you were closer she would probably train with you once in a while.

    Can you tell me what size the are including thickness and how much they are so that I can make a decision -

    Regards,
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    Post by Tony Terranova on Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:15 pm

    Hi Kaarl,

    Great stuff mate - Harry Cooke used a similar piece of kit except he tied a tennis ball to the end - I use a ball that size with no elastic and just hold in one hand as it is less noisy as I use it in hotel rooms when I travel -

    I loved the clip you sent me - can you tell me how to make them or do you buy them - and I would love to try one if you have one spare that I can test on - let me know if you want to send a sample and I will give you my home address.

    Once again great reply mate well impressed.

    Regards,
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    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:17 pm

    Pete

    Drop me a pm mate, its me who is after them
    all the ones I found are horrendously expensive and a pain in the butt to get hold of.

    pm me mate
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    Post by Luke Mannion on Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:55 pm

    Hi guys

    Some great info and ideas on this thread, going off topic slightly but
    if any one wants to increase the density or remove hard spots from a heavy bag then I would really recommend this product

    http://www.lbsgardenwarehouse.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=DUNR&src=froogle

    This is one of the few online shops that will deliver this material in single bags as opposed to 20 bag pallets. Your local garden centre may also stock it.

    It makes the bag dense and heavy but is especially designed not to compact retaining its give when struck and fills out the bag perfectly with no inconsistancys in density, I used around 6 bags on a fairtex tear shapped bag and it now weighs around 110lbs.
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    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 08, 2009 7:04 pm

    Thanks for that Luke

    Some nice ideas on here.

    Craig
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    Post by Tony Terranova on Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:26 pm

    Hi Luke,

    Good to hear from you - did you get some of those books I mentioned - hope you like them -

    Regards,
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    Post by Luke Mannion on Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:36 pm

    Hi Tony

    I've got hold of quite a few of them now mate, reading The Naked Ape at the moment, once thats done i'll be moving on to the NLP books. Thanks for the list, I really appreciate it. Have a good holiday, i'm sure it's well deserved.
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    Post by kaarl on Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:47 pm

    Tony Terranova wrote:Hi Kaarl,

    Great stuff mate - Harry Cooke used a similar piece of kit except he tied a tennis ball to the end - I use a ball that size with no elastic and just hold in one hand as it is less noisy as I use it in hotel rooms when I travel -

    I loved the clip you sent me - can you tell me how to make them or do you buy them - and I would love to try one if you have one spare that I can test on - let me know if you want to send a sample and I will give you my home address.

    Once again great reply mate well impressed.

    Regards,
    Tony

    hi tony,

    i made another clip on youtube on how to make the balls you can see that here if you want to have a go at making one
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K7dsa0PPTg&feature=channel_page

    ive heard they are forsale,but ive never seen them? i will make up a few spares for the seminar if you want one to take home and test out Very Happy unless you want it sooner?

    cheers
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    Post by kaarl on Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:52 pm

    Luke Mannion wrote:Hi guys

    Some great info and ideas on this thread, going off topic slightly but
    if any one wants to increase the density or remove hard spots from a heavy bag then I would really recommend this product

    http://www.lbsgardenwarehouse.co.uk/product.asp?pf_id=DUNR&src=froogle

    This is one of the few online shops that will deliver this material in single bags as opposed to 20 bag pallets. Your local garden centre may also stock it.

    It makes the bag dense and heavy but is especially designed not to compact retaining its give when struck and fills out the bag perfectly with no inconsistancys in density, I used around 6 bags on a fairtex tear shapped bag and it now weighs around 110lbs.

    wow that filling looks like it could make an excellant filling ive got to get some,have you tryed it in focus pads? or do you think it would be to heavy? i bet its feels really good in the tear drop Very Happy
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    Post by Luke Mannion on Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:17 am

    Hi Kaarl

    Its an excellent filling mate, by far the best i've used, it gives you a really dense heavy bag but still soft enough to hit, with no hard spots at all. I've not tried using it in anything but my Tear shape bag, but I fully intend to use it on every bag I get from now on. I don't think it would be too heavy for pads, give it a go mate and please let me know how you get on.
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    Post by Tony Terranova on Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:07 am

    Peter,

    Also send me an email about the pad costs etc to: tonyterranova@fightingfit.gb.com

    Thanks
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    Post by Tony Terranova on Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:12 am

    Hi Kaarl,
    Thanks for the additional link - awsome stuff mate
    Regards,
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