Hi

...We're all learning and I thinks it is important as Rick said '...to help and learn from each other...' Most people in our society are not interested in Martial arts and those that are, only a few show any real intrest in what I call Martial Arts. But it is a live and let live world...Karl is one of the few (jamie Clubb is another one) that has really questioned me about my training, fighting and door experience. I have always tried to answer honestly and I am the first to admit that I do not have 'The Answer'.

Kind regards Dennis jones

Ps I will do a short introduction

Hi Dennis

Thanks for your post mate.
I think as you pointed out, I have yet to come across anyone who has THE answer. we all train, teach and learn in different ways and from different people. It is our experiences that sets us apart from anyone who may or may not have trained one way or another, gained real life experience are not. Honesty within training and within our belief systems of what we do is what makes us unique and gives us the ability to question.

If you are unsure, ASK, and 9 times out of 10 you will find someone willing to answer and throw another scenario into the pot.

Learning is a continuous thing, and may we all keep learning from each other to better ourselves and the ones we love.

craig

I think kaarl that you may have jumped in w little without considering this may only be one style of hitting the bag. I think dennis would have hundreds of different drills on the bag not just the one shown here. I do that style of bag work the same but i also do many other different drills on the bag/peanutbag,heavy bag that clip shown is just part of a routine.
As dennis jones says we are all still learning and i by no means think i am the best out there but i do trust my training and the tools i have.

My art is in change not about violence or confilct although the tools are there if neede which i hope i never have to use again.
There maybe a small article about is soon

keep questioning keep training... hope we can meet soon and learn from eachother.
Thanks kaarl.
peace
peter

Hi peter,

Like you said the differences between one persons idea of hard and another persons idea of seriously hard can differ significantly depending on who you’ve trained with.ill leave any more till i had firsthand experience,preferably not on the chin or liver

My thought were based on body movement rather than style, But I understand what you mean, there is lots of different styles and punch out drills etc, whenever i look at SD I'm always looking for power,i try to always focus on what i would be doing, seeing an aggressive attacker rather than a bag, building fitness through technique rather than the sport/fitness side of things, but i fully understand that fitness is a big part of it, I've also seen people unable to join a class, simply because there fitness levels are not good enough,i think SD should be available to all

i do trust my training and the tools i have.

i think that's a place everybody needs to get to when looking at self defence

I'm looking forward to getting together,
Thanks again for the kind offer

cheers,
karl

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I like the fact that this thread didn't rapidly go down hill like it would of done in the other forum, in my opinion that forum has become the Jeremy Kyle show of self protection!

Hey Luke

I agree mate, this place was desinged and set up for constructive criticism, not bashing members, and everyone gets their say. if we cant discuss anything sensibly about self protection where is the point.

Glad you like this place mate. keep posting.

PS
at the Jeremy Kyle show comment. Classic

Craig

I like the fact that this thread didn't rapidly go down hill like it would of done in the other forum, in my opinion that forum has become the Jeremy Kyle show of self protection!

Couldn't have said it better myself Luke.

It's what this forum is all about. We've got some great people on here now and thanks to Rick and Craig's sterling efforts, the forum is growing massively. We've even got a top MA Magazine on board now.

From little seeds..........

Keep up the great posts guys and gals

Hi

I posted the following on another forum:

In reference to the first fight (inside the nightclub) on 'Karate for the street' clip:

'About a month ago [August 08] I found a video with it on. I then filmed it ‘off the TV’ with a camcorder using the stop start button as a form of old fashion editing. The incident was a lot longer and involved a gang of 5 or 6 men whose ages varied from 19 to about 25. At the start (still) the frame freezes on the beginning motion of the actual bottling that occurred during the incident. It’s not clear but in the right hand corner there’s a bottle in a man’s hand.

The first scene you’ll notice a man standing in the doorway. On the floor (edited) a bouncer has got a man in a headlock. Cranked to one side and restricting the blood flow the bouncer is trying to choke him out. However, because he (the man) is extremely angry, very strong and high on Charlie it’s taking a lot of effort to subdue him even with 3 bouncers on him! (He was and still is a very angry man even after recently doing five years for nearly killing someone with a rounders bat and a screw driver.) I was head doorman at this particular nightclub and on this occasion I was filming with a camcorder. I was filming off my shoulder (as always!) and not through the lens, so I was very aware of what was occurring around me.

Anyway going back to the bloke by the door you’ll see the film wobble. What happened there was, a moment after I filmed him his face changed and he drew his right foot back and went to boot the bouncer (that had his mate in a headlock) in the face. Spotting this I jumped across the bouncer and the ‘offender’ and with my left hand launched the guy off the steps and then pulled the fire door shut. A moment later however, one of the gang smacks a doorman across the head with a bottle. (There’s a bit of footage of a blooded bouncer.) The bottling was extremely quick. And with the sound of women screaming in the background, it went into a full on brawl and with a broken bottle being swung around in the mêlée. The beer bottle had broken on impact. Fortunately for the doorman the broken glass didn’t take out his eye, which although rare is something that I have seen on a few occasions. The person responsible (brown hair) is quickly pinned to the floor. However, that was not the end of the incident…

What was of interest was the fact that ‘they’ were all out of their faces on Charlie. They hated us with a vengeance and had a propensity for violence. The drug made them both strong and paranoid, which is as we all know not a good combination LOL.'

The bag work is of me working on 'The one punch...' that Steve Morris talks about...

I filmed the 'fights' 8 years ago (I have many others) and have decided to post them with the intention of showing martial arts students the 'chaos and dangers' involved in street fighting. I also wanted to 'explain' what sort of people they might come across! (See comments above).

Regards Dennis

Hi Al I enjoyed reading your comments about my MAI article...hope you do well with your book.

The bag work is of me working on 'The one punch...' that Steve Morris talks about...

heres a link to that article

http://stevemorris.livejournal.com/?skip=40

Luke Mannion wrote:I like the fact that this thread didn't rapidly go down hill like it would of done in the other forum, in my opinion that forum has become the Jeremy Kyle show of self protection!

i think it got to the point that people were afraid to ask any question,even newcomers were being attacked just for asking simple questions,a bit pathetic really when its suposed to be there to help

a bit like the roughest pub in the area,you don't go in it unless you know someone

hope all is well luke

Love the rough pub analogy kaarl!
i sort of went into it(forum/cyber pub) because they were talking about my mate who used to be the 'landlord'(GT)who by the way did not need me to stick up for him,and asked politely if somewhat cheekily why they were badmouthing him just because they had run it into the ground and most of their clientel were just there to drink their giro.Like most failing businessmen the new landlords would not show their faces so i could just question them and maybe just mention how good the old landlord was so successful nowadays and perhaps they should rethink their scathing attacks.Anyway i had a quick pint listened to some no marks and left my name.....also hypothetically went to the toilet before i left hahaha (check my posts)
needless to say they barred me in my abscence.....but the upside is 2 of my mates Rick & Craig open their own pub(all welcome no coaches) hahaha
and put Myself,Al, TT and Ajarn Bob on the door! Seriously though we have world class guys throughout this forum and on the other one its like the world hide n seek championships
whats that tell you?
Mick x

LMAO Love it Mick

No airs, no graces, just good old fashion ask and ye shall find philosophy. I too as was Rick and Al, Peter S, and yourself Kaarl, were on that forum and we were all the ones being bad mouthed with reference to our training, who we trained with, why we paid X amount for this that or the other and that they would not pay for such things. then decided to question our ability. It didnt matter what was said or how polite we said it. they would not accept and could not see the value behind this knowledge and instruction. Mick posted twice if I remember, they TRIED to throw and insult which was laughable, and then he got banned.

The point im trying to make is, without honest people, honest martial arts and honest self defence. how can one be honest with anyone else let alone himself?. we all do different styles of martial art. we all practice with different instructors and friends, and yet all we do is pass on what we know works. in the hope that we learn something new, we have something which has been tried and tested. and this forum was set up for those kind of people, and the people who have never done any self defence before or martial art but want to know whats what. EVERYONE is welcome, thats what this place is for. speak your mind by all means. as I know the members we have on here are honest to their chosen art, and speak freely about that which they feel they have learned and can still learn but it takes nothing to show a little respect and honesty and maybe once in a while help someone along the way.

I am over the moon this place has got to where it has. and I had NO doubt whatsoever that we would have such top quality guys and gals on board.

A massive thankyou goes out to Mick, Al, Bob, Tony T, Peter Skillen, Lee Morrison, who are all down as Mods on here and for doing an awesome job in helping run this virtual pub

And thanks to everyone who has signed up and contributes to this wonderful place. Thanks to everyone who has backed us and we will see you all in FEB for our Ultimate Seminar

Take care all
Craig

Quailty site this, I dont see myself as the door crew ill just be the dj..Hey mick i thought youd be the tarty girl behind the bar

peter... i had you down as dalton....top billing dude
well wade garrett at the very least
hahahaha
i kill me!
mick x

I get it all the time..I though you'd be bigger...normally said after they eventually wake up