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    Post by Griffin Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:16 pm

    I've just had the misfortune of sitting through a very dull seminar on 'Conflict Management' a subject that I normally enjoy...

    The instructor seemed somewhat obsessed with 'Hicks Law'(or more properly called 'The Hick-Hyman Law' as I pointed out to him afterwards.

    I was somewhat amazed as, although it is an interesting theory, I thought in the field of conflict management and self defense, Hicks Law had been disproved some time ago..

    Do any of you instructors use it or know if it is still being used?
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    Post by Joe Hubbard Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:04 pm

    Hi Griff

    Loads of people still use it in their teachings. This is a good article that pretty much debunks Hick's Law as dated "junk science":

    http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/hickslaw.htm


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    Post by Al Peasland Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:48 am

    Thanks Joe - an excellent article

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    Post by Joe Hubbard Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:54 am

    My pleasure. Here is another link to an interesting article on the startle reflex:

    http://www.hockscqc.com/articles/startle-reflex/startle-reflex.htm

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    Post by Griffin Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:53 pm

    Hey.. Thanks Joe.. Sorry for delay in replying! I was sure that that Hicks had been 'disproved' years ago.. Great articles! Now I'm fairly sure I've sat through a couple of sessions with that Hockheim chap when I trained at FLETC..
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    Post by Joe Hubbard Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:07 pm

    Griffin wrote:Hey.. Thanks Joe.. Sorry for delay in replying! I was sure that that Hicks had been 'disproved' years ago.. Great articles! Now I'm fairly sure I've sat through a couple of sessions with that Hockheim chap when I trained at FLETC..

    You are right! Hick's Law was disproved years ago, but so many cling on to this concept as it is the Holy Grail. Bruce Siddle used it for years brainwashing cops all over America through his PPCT program.

    Best- Joe
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    Post by Griffin Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:10 pm

    Thanks for the links to the articles Joe
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    Post by Joe Hubbard Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:36 pm

    My pleasure bro.

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    Post by drgndrew Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:17 am

    G'day guys,

    I think hicks law still has it's place although maybe not as a law. It could be referred to as Hicks Phenomenon and can explain why some people do freeze when presented with too many choices, when a feedback loop is in play. I think to write it off altogether would be a bit premature, but on the other hand relying on it as a law would be over limiting.

    just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.
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    Post by Al Peasland Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:14 am

    Perhaps we need to consider the less extreme result of having too many options.
    Not as debliltating as Freezing due to too much choice, more a case of not being effective enough.

    This clip is a classic case of the officers having too many options

    Before they have the guy under control properly, they are already reaching for their handcuffs, calling for backup, etc

    Almost like too much choice means they flit from one option to another instead of just making one thing work


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