The Fence

Hello to all,
Something has been niggling me for awhile and im not sure if what i say is correct so i will throw it out in the open and cower behind my pillow in anticipation.
If you have exhausted all avenues of non physical confrontation and you have pushed someone back from the fence and they still come forward to attack do you.
1. Wait until they are within striking distance and hit with you not moving forward.
2. When you gauge the distance right for you, move forward into them with a continuous assault until they either slip into unconciousness or give you back your action man (sorry about the last bit)

I correctly or incorrectly have said that i look at it like two magnets when they are within a certain distance they pull together quickly. For me its been better to go to them rather than them come to me.

Right the pillow is ready fire away

Dave

Once you know the fight is on and the verble is over do what is nessecerry to survive.Once you have the forward momentem keep going forwards until the attacker is out of the fight. It's no good taking it backwards at all once you know the fight is on. I personally will attack as soon as they come into range that way i am not giveing them anything.

Hi Dave

Assuming you have done everything else. ( as you know )
Fence up, talking distance, everything is fine until it starts to get to the point where something needs to be done.

The PUSH, as Al has explained in class, is to top up your adversaries adrenalin and push it up to the point of overload. where he will if done correctly want to walk away. followed with ballooning and posturing and the verbal also, he should feel like he has to get out of there.

As long as you make the push agressive, with all of the other techniques involved, and BACK OFF, from the push also to make sure there is a good distance between you guys. it should 9 times out of 10 work for you.

IF he does manage to step through his " sticky feet " syndrome, then he he is either good at controlling his adrenalin or just out of his tree and looking for a ruck.

Personally mate, and I can only speak on events I have experienced, I cannot tell you what should or should not be done. but when I have used this it has worked and only one has stepped though it.

If he has not calmed down, and you have tried to talk it down, pushed, backed off, ballooned, verballed. postured and he still comes forward. then he is a definate threat. I personally with the one who walked through it, as soon as he came within striking range I hit, as soon as I knew the fight was on and had no other option i did not give him a chance to swing, or ready himself, as soon as It was on I went in for the shot and unloaded. and finished it there and then. I did not want to take the chance, I had tried talking, and everything else. once its on mate its on.

I think it boils down to what you feel you can do at the time, but I would not give him a chance to be able to hit me first.

The other choice is when he takes one step forward, you take one step back, and carry on and up the verbal to another level and go animalistic, this again should give him that extra shot of adrenalin and hopefully freeze him there so you can make good an escape.

More risky but has worked, but pre empt mate, dont wait.

Hope this helps.

Right or wrong, its what I have found works for me, and has done.
but all else fails, you choose but dont let him get there first.

Craig

everyone gets ONE chance with me .. then bang.. so if anyone re-enters the Fence and/or the Guard ranges they get it .. simple

For me, I think Craig and Dave T have pretty much said it all - but not wanting to let that get in the way of another long post from me - here's my thoughts

As Craig said, if you use the explosive shove or similar technique the intention is to create some space between you and him and also dump a load more adrenalin into him - give his body something to think about.

Every situation is different and it is for you to decide what your next course of action is, but if he decides to move back towards you then you can either try to maintain that gap by stepping back
This is actully more difficult to do than you first think because you are now trying to maintain a level of animalistic aggression whilst obviously stepping backwards away from the threat - kinda contradicts itself unless you can do it subtely
Usually there isn't the time for subtlety by this point anyway.

So, for me, if my explosive shove didn't do the trick and he still wants to come forward, then - providing I have no other means of escape - he gets a whack.

And no - I won't then wait for him to close the gap because that is like letting him tack charge of the situation again and puts me on the defensive slightly.

This is only my preference and others may prefer to wait for them to make the move in, but for me - if I see that the threat hasn't been subdued, then I will close the gap and do it with absolutely everything I have.

The fight is then on and all rules are now over.


Having said that - I have had one memorable occasion where I went very aggressive on someone - and it still didn't work.
He was good and he knew the game and simply matched my level of aggression and then raised it some more.
So, to give my first shot a better chance I quickly reverted to a more submissive tone of voice as if I had realised I'd just made the mistake

It wasn't text book - it happened very quickly but it worked

Hope this helps - but has probably already been said more eloquently anyway

Cheers Al

Its a lot easier to show than write down lol
but excellent post mate. nice one

Thanks for the input on this. It has been bugging me as i have realised from my own experience when i get scared i want to get closer to my aggressor rather than further away. I feel safer (weird huh)

Thanks again
Dave

No worries dave, nice question mate

Just remember, Open the gap, Maintain the gap, and dont close it. he should then be in flight or freeze. if you move it, you are more likely to trigger fight. and the you will have no choice, if he feels threatened he will close in.

Hope we were of some help mate,
Anything else just pop up and ask away mate, its why we are all here.

Best of luck with it
Craig

Hi all,

We all know the basics in regards to the fence and situational control; i.e. prevent encroachment and protect personal space, keep your hands higher than his/hers, thus giving you greater probaility to pro-active action should the need arise.

The fact that I have a fence up in the first place, means I have an inclination that this could kick off. In a physical sense my game plan is pre-emption, worse case scenario my first strike will be the first of a continuous barrage of strikes that will not stop until the man is down.

With that said, I must have a criteria to pre-emption. What is it, that is going to make me employ an immediate, direct and explosive offensive, as a pro-active reponse?

Several elements are in place here, the first is proxemics. In order for anyone to assault me in a physical sense, short of using a projectile, they must be within touching range. If someone is threatening you from 3 feet away, turn and leg it, don't hang around or move forward cause your getting yanked by your ego, get gone.

Fact is if someone is sounding off from this distance, or backing up as they talk, they are just making a noise, in the immediate sense. The final percursor to physical assault will be distance closure, if he's coming forward the threat is live. If he comes forward he may get shoved, now the fence is taken to a conscious level and backed up with a physical and verbal boundary.

If he tries to slap your hands down, then we all know it's because he wants to come forward. How much more information than that do I need to know, that I need to pre-empt? None! I'm going first and I'm gonna motor from here. Outside of that if again, the subject is within range outside of my control; and now any attempt is made to shift weight, or the hands move behind his/her back, concealed in some way; then I going to be pre-emptive.

I'm either shoving and demanding a show of hands or I'm banging. Geoff's 2-touch rule still stands, only if he's slapped my hands down or I've had to shove him back, the second touch will be on the way to knocking him the f##k out if he comes forward again.

Like Den Martin used to say, I'm only telling him to stay back ONCE, if you hear it again, it's an echo.
Peace....

Thanks for that Lee

Much appreciated,
I hope with all that has been said here dave it gives you a clear indication on what to do and where we all stand on this.

Nicely put Lee, Al, and everyone else who spoke up.

Craig