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    Tough Criminal or Poor Policing?

    Al Peasland
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    Post by Al Peasland Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:06 pm

    Not sure about the actual title of the clip on youtube, but watched this with some dissappointment in the obvious difficulty the officers had restraining this guy.

    Do you think this is because these officers were trying to restrain the individual in the manner they have been taught? Differently because they were being filmed? or simply because they haven't practised their restraint techniques enough.

    It looked to me like they were too busy trying to get their cuffs, radio for backup and reach for their pepper sprays than actually gaining physical control over the individual.

    Could this be an example of what happens when you have too many options at your disposal perhaps?
    Take away their cuffs, radios, batons, pepper sprays, etc, they would have had no option but to take the guy down and sit on him!

    More and more I watch these fly-on-the-wall documentarys and see just how much of a struggle the officers have with restraining individuals - often needing 3 or 4 of them to control one person. I appreciate that to restrain someone safely may take more than one officer, but isn't it time we let our coppers get a little more "forceful" or at least give them the techniques so that they can decide for themselves?
    After all, if these two officers struggled with one lightweight guy, what would have happened if his mate decided to jump in, or if the officer was on the beat on his own?

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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:31 pm

    Nice post Al

    Not a lot I can add to this mate to be honest, apart from the fact you are bang on with your comments and sentiments. I see the fact of needing more than one person for safety aspects also, however if two coppers cannot restrain one guy who was indeed smaller in stature than the copper himself, and yet there were two of them, what hope do we stand for the real serious threats in society if this is the way everything is handled.

    Do we need more forceful policing? more training in restraint techniques, or to re define the way force is used in apprehending suspects and detaining or neutralizing the threat?

    Who knows.

    Nice post Al

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    Post by Davey Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:03 pm

    Yer I think more forceful policing is required, kind of get the feeling that the police try to baby the individuals, Christ! take there face to the ground, hard and fast, if it hurts tough they shouldn't struggle.


    The procedure

    1.Please stop!
    2.Stop!
    3.I'm warning you know!
    4.Stop! (shouted)
    5.If you don't stop I will arrest you!
    6.Do you want to be arrested?
    7.I'm going to arrest you in a minute!
    8.Try and arrest the subject

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    Hmm if I've missed a bit feel free to let me know
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:13 pm

    Sounds about right to me mate,

    Rugby tackles all round with a couple of tarmac burns to their shnoz and they wont kick up much of a fuss, and if they do well erm....

    TOUGH?

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    Post by Davey Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:48 pm

    He slipped and fell your Honour, and in doing so he pulled me down and doing so I put my foot out to stop me falling and my foot landed in he's Nut sack by accident??? hence the Groin injury your honour


    Actually they probably already used that one
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:53 pm

    lol!

    would not surprise me at all lol.

    the met would crap themselves if a load of sdf guys ever decided to be PCSO officers lol, would be like real time practice all the time in some areas I know

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    Post by Dave Turton Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:04 pm

    truth of the matter is the required end product

    I have had countless people say to me .. "Oh it took 4 or 5 coppers to arrest that guy, how could you beat him on your own"
    sort of thing

    the end product of coppers getting involved is 'handcuffs on' into van.

    Now I on the other hand am NOT trying to arrest anyone with the resulting potential for.. excessive force, lawsuits against the police etc

    noits simply that their end poduct and mine are very very different requiring very different methods
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    Post by D.Hughes Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:17 pm

    that aint that bad. you wanna see some poor policing? check this out:

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hsEzQ-aaEXY&NR=1
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    Post by Al Peasland Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:28 pm

    OMG

    Is it me or is that dude - sorry - officer having a bad day?

    Maybe it's the embarassment of the little car he has to drive around in or the outfit reminiscent of "I't ain't alf hot mum" (but in blue).

    That was baaaaaaad!
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    Post by Guest Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:35 pm

    Erm

    Yet again it could be worse

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-tFNyWsTgJI&feature=related

    People crazy by power or what?

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